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When Beelzebub, now with a transfigured appearance corresponding to His merits and visible to all, had occupied His usual place, Ahoon, His old servant who had been close to Him during almost the whole of His existence, unexpectedly fell prostrate before Him and in a sincerely entreating voice began to speak:
"Sacred Podkoolad of our Great Megalocosmos! Have
mercy upon me and pardon me, an unfortunate ordinary
three-centered being, for my past disrespectful manifestations,
voluntary and involuntary, towards Your Sacred Essence." Having said this, Ahoon stood as if sunk in a stupor of silent expectancy. And Beelzebub, also in silence, gazed at him with a look which, though perceived externally from without was full of love and forgiveness, yet there could be felt in it also His Essence-grief and inevitable resignation. During this afore-described scene, Hassein stood apart in the posture everywhere called the 'posture-of-the-all-famous- universal-hermit,' Harnatoolkpararana of the planet Kirmankshana. And when a little bit later Beelzebub cast His eyes around and noticed His grandson in the said posture, He turned to him and said: "What, my boy! Can it be that the same proceeds in your presence as in our old Ahoon's?" |
(Please note that the page references to 'Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson' are to the English translation published in 1950 which was translated from the Russian (the language which Gurdjieff primarily wrote in) and, having being completed before Gurdjieff's death, would have been approved by him. Unfortunately the translation printed in 1992 under the direction of Jeanne de Salzmann (she having the claim that Gurdjieff entrusted his organization to her) has certain differences that may or may not be correct, although its intent was to be closer to the substance of the Russian version. |
* Index to my lectures on YouTube* My outline on All and Everything: Beelezebub's Tales to His Grandson* His Endlessnes creates: Cosmoses by changing the sacred law of Heptaparaparshinokh(Gurdjieff's mistake of a missing Stopinder in Beelzebub's Tales?) |
* Second Series: 11 Remarkable Men & 1 Woman: Summary of Gurdjieff's "Meetings with Remarkable Men" |
* Third Series: "Life is Real Only Then, When I Am"- Rebuttal of published book |
* My experience with the mania of : "self-observation"* Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous: Index* Gurdjieff's Grave: Is the Soul eternal?* Wonderful writeup on Gurdjieff's life and teachings: Geni website* The decoding of Gurdjieff's humorous expressions
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* The Science of the Four States of Consciousness: Commentary on talk by Dr. Fred Travis* Entangled Quantum particles prove Gurdjieff's Neutral force: Qubits (Quantum Bits) can be both positive or negative at the same time. Their state can only be determined by observation* Excellent comparison of two similar theories of the creation of the earth and moon and the relationship of the sacred substances of askokin and gold.: "Gurdjieff, Beelzebub, and Zecharia Sitchin" (An Abridged Essay from Appendix III of "The Three Dangerous Magi" by P.T. Mistlberger on Andy Lloyd's site.) What was not mentioned was Beelzebub's horns in Form and Sequence as Anunnaki gods were depicted with horns. |
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Just a word about me: I attended the Institute for Religious Development headed by W. A. Nyland right after graduating from Georgetown University Class of Clinton 68. When I asked Mr. Nyland in a private session why there was a missing substance after Piandjoehary (See Gurdjieff's Food Octave), he asked me if I had read Beelzebub's Tales and I replied I had read it five times. Then he asked if I had followed the reading instructions at the beginning. I replied no and he suggested that I do so! I guess he did not know the answer. Since then I have only found one person, also from Nyland's group*, who is willing to admit to a discrepancy. As to my credentials I can only say I was one of Nyland's best wheelbarrow pushers and I adored his piano playing and my name is almost the same: Dylan. I have also had a chance to meet with Estelle Hoyt and some Gurdjieff groups in Seattle and Vancouver. Unfortunately, I had to break with those work-farm schools as I found that "Beelezbub's Tales to His Grandson" had an different So there it is. Please write me with a better solution or just to say that you liked this site or to discuss issues. But never worship or blindly follow any individual who is dead -- look at what happened to Christianity. (There are many people who feel that to mispronounce Gurdjieff's name is proof of ignorance. I was taught "gurd-Jeef" and the favored one is "Gurd-jev". I finally did hear my pronunciation, though with more of a Russian accent, in the wonderful movie: "I am Gurdjieff; I will not die!") Here are two YouTube songs I wrote called "My Body Kesdjan and "Hassein Crying" which are influenced by Gurdjieff's writing: |
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| From Dave in South Africa age 31 |
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I recently came across BT and I know there are some great truths here but most if it remains a mystery to me. If you would be willing to answer some questions or discuss some things with me I would be must grateful. It is pouring with rain and I have time to answer, but you do need more study more and especially to define where you are in that "something inside". Do not put yourself on a pedestal, but also do not denigrate yourself. Be Hassein. |
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I am currently in the beginning of the third book so if there is anything that I will come across still please let me know. Third book not written by him, but glommed together by students as with the Material Question which should not to be in the Second Book. A disappointment. I threw mine away. It is not: THIRD SERIES: Four books under the common title of “Life is Real Only Then, When 'I Am.'” |
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The difficulties I am having are what is the definition of some terms he uses, and some practical examples of some of the ideas:
Yes. "FIRST SERIES: To destroy, mercilessly, without any compromises whatsoever,
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Conscious labor: I think this is just being aware of an "I" that is outside our 3 being bodies (body, emotions, thoughts)? No. It is Being Partkdolg Duty which begins with the building of an astral body, then a Soul. It is a lifetime work., not an abstract concept. |
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Intentional suffering: the example i am using to understand this is if am hungry to observe my body, how it reacts and what happens to me when I eat, the pleasure gained from the food and the physiological changes such as my mouth salivating? No. It is the principle that instead of allowing the three centers to pull you in trivial actions, you resist and thus lose the ability to coast through life. |
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What are the higher being bodies and the kesdjan body, and how are they fed? I understand the basic 3 are our bodies, emotions and thoughts. See Chapter 39 - The law of Octaves 1st being food (water bread) is for our bodies. This is automatic. Second being food is air - however this I don't understand at all. No. Air alone does not advance to an astral body. Impressions go nowhere without Being Partkdolg Duty. In Search of the Miraculous has a good diagram. |
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The higher beings I'm guessing at this point are the "I" to be developed by conscious labor but this is just a hunch. I know there is another higher being body I don't even understand enough to ask about yet. The "I" is perfected Soul. |
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I have tons of these ideas I am looking for some clarity on. I hope this is not a burden for you. Note, that in Gurdjieff groups, questions like this were answered with a statement that "you are not advanced enough to ask these questions, but need to work on yourself first." I do not hold to that concept, but it is true that experience is the only true answer because it takes time. |
